Kasim Sulton: American Bass Guitarist, Keyboardist and Vocalist

Kasim Sulton

I’m desperately trying to finish these songs before the first show just on a whim I was in my car and I’m like you know let me listen to a songwriting podcast and see what someone who I don’t know has to say about songwriting The guy was saying that if you could if you write a song in 20 minutes chances are it’s

it’s not very good and no one’s ever going to hear it and yeah, I wrote Set me free in 20 minutes It just came out of the clear blue.

Announcer

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 Welcome to the Takin a Walk podcast an audio diary of insightful conversations with music insiders on this episode Buzz Knight talks with Kasim Sulton bass guitarist writer keyboardist and vocalist best known for his work with Todd Rundgren in Utopia

Kasim continues to have a distinguished career over four decades and chances are music he’s been involved in is part of a daily playlist in your life To date Sulton has played and sung on albums that have sold more than 85 million copies He’s toured with Hall and Oates Cheap trick and Joan Jett along with the late MeatLoaf

Let’s join Buzz Knight next with Kasim Sulton

Buzz Knight

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 Well let’s enter our virtual take a walk studio and special guest Please enter and sign in please.

Kasim Sulton

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 Hi everyone, I’m Kasim Sulton a multi-instrumentalist singer songwriter dad grandfather widow I don’t know carpenter sometimes a lawn mower dishwasher Chief cook and bottle washer I

Buzz Knight

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 love it It’s so nice to see you again albeit virtually You too.

Kasim Sulton

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 buddy It’s good.

Buzz Knight

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 to see you Now when you’re in a recording process writing process.

Buzz Knight

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 do you ever get stuck and literally uh break yourself free by going for a walk?

Kasim Sulton

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 Um I actually I go for a drive Um and uh I used to do that quite often Um now I take my dog for a walk Um and uh sometimes that helps most of the time It it’s more about just the just being uh diligent and trying to force.

force through a writer’s block you know which I I’m not and I’m not and never have been a very prolific songwriter Um I kind of you know I paint over my uh my work Um and uh a lot of times people say you know you’re uh sacrificing.

 product for perfection and uh but you know everyone is different.

Buzz Knight

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 but somebody told me you wrote the hit song Set me free in 20 minutes Is that true.

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah, you know it’s really funny too because um I was uh, I was going somewhere I had to uh go to an event in the Bronx List I live on Staten Island, and I had to go to uh the Bronx and I was looking for

and we could talk about this in a minute but I’m about to uh to go on tour um uh with the Fixx Uh I’m opening for them um on the North American tour coming up in November And and I have a couple of new songs that I want to I want to debut during my opening set because it’s just me uh solo acoustic

And so I’m desperately trying to finish these songs before the first show Uh and uh just on a whim II I was in my car and I’m like you know let me listen to a songwriting podcast and see what someone who I don’t know has to say about songwriting.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um And this this this guy was saying um I’m not going to mention the podcast but the guy was saying that uh if you could if you write a song in 20 minutes chances are it’s not very good and no one’s ever going to hear it Um And yeah I wrote set me free in 20 minutes Um all but the bridge uh it just came uh um out of the clear blue

Kasim Sulton

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 and uh it was uh it was at a particularly difficult time in my in my career Um I uh I was signed to Bearsville Records as a recording as a solo recording artist.

Kasim Sulton

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 Uh I desperately wanted to do a solo album and Albert Grossman didn’t feel that my material was ready yet that I still had some growing to do as a songwriter and he didn’t want to uh let me have AAA solo um album.

Kasim Sulton

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 or record a solo album and my attitude was look then fine then then let me go somewhere else Let me find another record label that’s willing to uh put a record out for me And he said OK that that’s fine Um You owe me uh X amount of dollars and uh and 10% of any future royalties you have on the on your first record Uh And I just thought that that was just you know AAA horrible thing

Um It’s business you know that’s the business that we have chosen Um And uh and that’s why I wrote set me free to get out of a record contract.

Buzz Knight

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 What was that like dealing with uh Albert Grossman And did you uh sort of get intertwined by the nature of that relationship somehow inside the Bob Dylan and band camp at all?

Kasim Sulton

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 Um You know uh Albert uh Albert was a fascinating guy It was really a AAA really.

Kasim Sulton

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 I mean the history uh of between him and Bob Dylan and uh Janis Joplin and the band and uh Jesse Winchester and countless other acts um and the fact that he had been around since the very early sixties um it you know.

Kasim Sulton

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 WW it was you were kind of in awe being in in his presence um because he was certainly a force to be reckoned with Um And but he never really um uh my dealings with Albert were strictly um on a solo basis and through Utopia and um Albert never really uh he never liked the fact that Todd had a band

Kasim Sulton

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 that took him away from uh his work with uh his solo work Um So he uh Albert uh 00 was always begrudgingly accept accepting of Utopia um because it was Todd’s you know that was Todd’s little side project and um uh again an Albert would have been fine if Todd never had a so a band.

Kasim Sulton

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 uh in in terms of uh something or a project that took him away from his solo albums, But Todd always had it was always separate It was always Utopia was Utopia and Todd solo was Todd solo So

Buzz Knight

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 yeah, I think I saw Roger Powell from Utopia He said that Bearsville wished that Utopia had never.

Buzz Knight

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 existed Is that true.

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah, I mean that’s basically what I just said You know uh Albert did didn’t uh he did not um think that Utopia was uh was anything that that had any legs Um uh he just thought that it was AAA distraction from uh from Todd’s solo uh material which was uh a lot more successful than Utopia

Buzz Knight

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 Was that a motivation for you guys.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um

Kasim Sulton

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 No I don’t think it was a motivation I don’t think we thought of it either way If anything it was it was disappointing Um you know we were always disappointed that uh that uh Bearsville uh didn’t take Utopia s uh more seriously Um but you know uh we just we you know soldiered on and did our tours and did our records and

Kasim Sulton

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 um you know uh um I have a I have a letter uh up in my music room um that from Albert uh to the band about uh one of the records that we did in in his saying that he doesn’t think it’s going to be a very uh a AAA commercial success So therefore Bearsville doesn’t want to put it out He doesn’t like the way it sounds he doesn’t like the songs Um and uh he basically turned the record down

Buzz Knight

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 So, when did you first Meet to Todd?

Kasim Sulton

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 So, I uh I got Wind of the uh that Utopia was looking for a bass player John Siegler uh who was the bass player the band had had gone from AAA seven-piece band with three keyboard players and Todd and background singers and um uh um.

Kasim Sulton

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 you know Mookie Klingman and John Siegler and Roger Powell and John Eve Labatt Willie Wilcox Todd Um and at one point um Luther Vandross uh and um David Lasley were the background singers in Utopia Yeah Um And uh and the land and the Todd was doing uh the record faithful uh and which was a solo record.

Kasim Sulton

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 and uh John Siegler decided that he was going to uh pursue a career in advertising music uh creating music for commercials and television and movies.

Kasim Sulton

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 And so he left the band he didn’t want to tour anymore Um a friend of mine uh Michael K Ken who was uh who I had known through Cherry Vanilla was contacted by Roger Powell and Roger um asked Michael if he knew of any bass players It’s a very convoluted story And Michael called Earl Slick Up who is a very good friend of mine and I grew up with Earl

Kasim Sulton

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 uh and uh said if you know any bass players uh Todd Rundgren is looking for one for his band Utopia II I just happened to see Slick and he mentioned it to me and he said if you want to audition call Michael Kamen up which is what I did and then the next day I was on a Adirondack Trailways bus up to Woodstock to rehearse with Roger Powell and Willie Wilcox the keyboard player and the drummer

Kasim Sulton

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 um for uh Todd’s return from India He was Mo Ping through India at that time Uh he was due back the next day and we were going to um uh I was going to audition for the band So that was the first that was April uh like uh 89 10 or 11 of 1976

Kasim Sulton

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 So that’s the first time I met Todd to answer your question It’s a very long answer to your question.

Buzz Knight

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 So, in your years with Todd um

Buzz Knight

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 what traits did he have?

Buzz Knight

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 teach you or rub off on you in terms of either his work process uh the way he you know wrote songs or his disciplines What did you learn from Todd.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um you know uh.

Kasim Sulton

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 uh I mean I really cut my teeth in that band you know everything up to that point was kind of getting ready to be in a band like that A national recording touring band Um so I uh you know while I had always dabbled in you know in trying to record songs and trying to write songs and playing live uh I really e everything that I

Kasim Sulton

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 I learned the foundation of my entire uh career was um was based around what I learned in those 1st 567 years in being in Utopia Todd uh was a uh.

Kasim Sulton

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 it didn’t necessarily set out to sit me down and say OK son well here’s how you record a bleed vocal and this is how you write uh a background part and this is where I placed the microphone to record a guitar amp And no it was nothing like that It was just all uh about you know watching him watching him work watching how he worked with other people Um And uh

Kasim Sulton

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 you know uh I mean just taking that uh and making it my own Um One of the one of the most interesting thing was uh things were uh right after I joined the band I was asked by Todd to uh to play on a record that he was producing Um And uh that was Meat Loaf uh that out of Hell Um And one of that was probably I think might have been like the second record that I’ve ever recorded

Kasim Sulton

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 Um And uh it was it was fascinating watching him as a producer and an arranger for all those uh those songs like that Out of Hell and Paradise By the Dashboard Lights two out of three ain’t bad Took the words right out of my mouth Um uh And how he worked uh as a as a producer and as an arranger and um as kind of like AAA you know a leader in the studio uh when it came to recording

Kasim Sulton

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 somebody else’s music So that was fascinating and uh I learned I learned so much uh about how you know how to make records and how to uh put a band together and stuff like that So yeah III I learned a lot from to what’s in

Buzz Knight

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 the secret sauce to an album like that That makes it just you know from start to finish just so

Buzz Knight

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 and unbelievable

Kasim Sulton

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 Um You know II I think that.

Kasim Sulton

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 that things like that you don’t really necessarily realize it at the time Um that your kind of making you know something that’s going to be iconic and uh you know and last uh for a very long-time um.

Kasim Sulton

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 uh the secret sauce it’s just chemistry you know it’s a group of people that get put together and the sum is greater than the parts So you are uh you’re just like a little you’re a little piece of it But everyone’s contribution together makes this really special thing and it’s I don’t think it’s anything that you can really

Kasim Sulton

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 um uh um uh like there’s no cookie cutter there’s no mold for it just either happens or it doesn’t you know.

Buzz Knight

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 do you recall where you were when you first heard a song from that album on the radio?

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah I was in my car I was driving uh II I had a little Alpha Romeo G TV Um and I was driving up to Woodstock to start a uh a tour I was on the Palisades Parkway Um and uh and I was listening to WNEW as a matter of fact um and a record of the song came on

Kasim Sulton

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 and I said to myself that sounds vaguely familiar I know I’ve heard that song somewhere before and I could not put my finger on it for the first I don’t know 30 seconds or something like that And then I said oh that’s the record that I did with Todd That’s uh it was bad out of hell As a matter of fact it was the song bad out of hell

Kasim Sulton

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 Um and I thought well that’s really cool They got on new that’s great That that was that was a milestone in any musician’s life to have your record played on WNEW especially in the afternoon drive the place.

Buzz Knight

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 where rock lives

Kasim Sulton

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 There you go.

Kasim Sulton

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 Yes

Buzz Knight

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 What a special feeling Hearing it My God

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah, uh that was it was uh it was very interesting and then the album just exploded and uh you know um the rest is history.

Buzz Knight

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 So, it sounds like Scott Muni was the one from new was the first one that played it Maybe.

Kasim Sulton

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 possibly I think it might have played in Cleveland before that I think uh, I think Kid Leo might have uh might have grabbed a hold of it up and started the ball rolling I know there is the there is an article out.

Kasim Sulton

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 there about where it really took hold But I think by the time that Scott played it or any anybody at new played it was all it was already something that people were calling up and it’s when people used to call up and say I you know I want you to play this record you know those days

Buzz Knight

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 Yeah, oh that’s wonderful I think there was a Cleveland connection not only with Kid Leo but for some reason I think in the music uh distribution side of it there was some Cleveland.

Kasim Sulton

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 well, it was Steve Popovich from um who had Cleveland International which was a subsidiary of Epic uh Epic Records And uh it was Steve who.

Kasim Sulton

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 uh you know they tried to they tried to get RC A uh to buy the record they tried to get CBS to buy the record they tried to get Warner Brothers to buy the record Nobody wanted it And this was after it was done no one wanted it And um and that’s when Cleveland International and Steve Popovich heard it and heard something there

Kasim Sulton

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 and decided that they were going to uh get behind it and again it’s like I said a few minutes ago which is that that that whole thing about you know the stars just align and it becomes something that uh that that all the pieces just kind of just fit together and the puzzle becomes whole.

Buzz Knight

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 Why is it that um?

Buzz Knight

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 the song the very last time and then more than a feeling is one of the greatest segues of all time.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um maybe because uh we consciously uh.

Kasim Sulton

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 I think we were a little tired at that point of uh of making records that that more people weren’t um weren’t listening to um you know we wanted to reach a larger audience and Todd had this this great idea He said why don’t we do this.

Kasim Sulton

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 Why do not we listen to the

Kasim Sulton

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 billboard top Well look take a look at Bill what what’s uh the billboard top 10 at that particular time in in in in history And um I think it was like 78 or 79 that might have been 78 Uh And uh and let’s just try to cop those that that vibe of those songs Like if there’s I you know I for the

Kasim Sulton

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 for me I can’t remember what other songs were out at that time There might have been some R and B song that was very popular Uh Boston was huge and more and more than a feeling was uh I might have been a number one hit I’m pretty sure it was So we just tried to craft songs that were like that you know

Kasim Sulton

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 and uh and I think we did a pretty good job you know Um and that’s where most of that record came from was uh take just taking a look at what was popular and what was getting the most traction on radio and in the charts at that particular moment in time and then just copying them you know just trying to make them our own rewrite them If you will

Buzz Knight

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 You spent some time with uh Joan Jett and the Blackhearts Uh tell me how wonderful that experience was.

Kasim Sulton

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 I you know I love Joan Um she was uh she was fantastic to work with and uh um and Ricky uh Ricky Bird the guitar player in the Black Hearts was uh was still very close to this day.

Kasim Sulton

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 As a matter of fact I have a show with him on Saturday that I’m doing Um but uh that was about 3.5 years I think Tommy Price uh who was another uh fellow Staten Islander We grew up together and Tommy was a very a very in demand drummer in the early eighties Uh everybody was using Tommy on their record

Kasim Sulton

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 He got a call to play with Joan needed a bass player Tommy recommended me because we were we were best friends Um, and I came in and then I was in Jones band for the next I guess 3.5 years from 86 to 90.

Buzz Knight

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 And then how about your time working with the Great Hall and Oates

Kasim Sulton

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 one of the best bands that I’ve ever been in Um uh there are there were two gentlemen besides Darryl and John there were two gentlemen in that band that um are no longer with us that I uh was and remain in awe of their mu musicality And that was uh t Bone Woke who was a drummer I mean I’m sorry

Kasim Sulton

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 t Bone Walk who was the bass player Um He was the bass player for uh for the longest time when I was in the band Uh It T Bone this uh took guitar um duties Uh and so I played bass uh but just a brilliant musician and a lovely guy and Bobby Mayo uh the keyboard player who was one of the

Kasim Sulton

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 best keyboard players piano organ players that I’ve ever worked with in my in my entire life to this day Um Just guys with uh with uh the well it has no there’s no bottom to the well of their knowledge of you know of music.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um And so that was one of the best bands that I was ever in uh the two or three years that I played with Darryl and John were that was a great time.

Buzz Knight

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 when I think of your well of music and I think of diversity of styles and interests you know I think of the work that you did around the uh the Broadway the Twilight Tharp Project uh you know in particular

Buzz Knight

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 Um so what things that you haven’t done do you want to do.

Kasim Sulton

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 Um you know I

Kasim Sulton

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 I was just um.

Kasim Sulton

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 toying with the idea of doing a big band Um there’s a guy uh who do the guy by the name of Charlie Rosen who does um uh it’s called the Eight Bit Big Band and they do um video game music with a big band uh like Mario Brothers and um uh and some other stuff that’s like just out completely out there Uh Also this other guy um

Kasim Sulton

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 uh that does uh a big band He does Zappa and Todd music with uh with like a 30 piece uh um orchestra.

Kasim Sulton

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 So I always wanted II I had this idea that uh that I would do uh a bunch of songs that uh that I’ve had over my career not just solo but um with other artists uh with a big band So that’s something that I would love to do It’s just it’s just so cost prohibitive

Kasim Sulton

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 You know to put together something like that and then do a show It’s it it’s a lot of money uh to put a band like that together Um So yeah that’s something that I would love to do.

Buzz Knight

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 as you uh contemplate going on the road in the upcoming tour with The Fix And you think of live performance

Buzz Knight

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 Do you have three maybe concert performances You as a fan went to that standout in memory. You know whether it be the greatness of the artist or the venue or the whole package?

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah, Um So the first concert that I really uh that I distinctly remember was Led Zeppelin at Madison Square Garden in 1970

Kasim Sulton

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 I want to say 72 or 73 It was right after Led Zeppelin three was uh came out.

Kasim Sulton

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 and I went uh I guess I was either 14 or 15 years old and uh they were.

Kasim Sulton

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 and they were just amazing.

Kasim Sulton

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 They were so good Um Another one was the dolls at the Mercer Art Center in Manhattan Very it was a uh it was a very small club um and seeing the dolls and I’m just like I had no clue what that was about Um But I remember it made an impression on me and the other one was uh was um

Kasim Sulton

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 yeah, it was either Jeff Beck at Carnegie Hall uh for the uh orange album with Bob Tench and uh Cozy Powell Um And um when they did uh when they did that record um and or Cactus uh on Staten Island, they play there used to be a venue on Staten Island called the Ritz.

Kasim Sulton

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 Uh and everybody came through here I saw the James Gang there.

Kasim Sulton

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 Cactus Mountain at um Wolman Rink Uh was.

Kasim Sulton

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 That was just amazing It’s just a three-piece band. It was just so big Um and I just remember saying you know but boy I can’t wait to be doing that I can’t wait to be on a stage like that That was my dream.

Buzz Knight

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 That’s awesome.

Buzz Knight

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 So, you’re looking forward to this tour coming up.

Kasim Sulton

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 Yeah, I’m really excited about its Um II I know the guys in uh in the fix pretty well and they were kind enough to offer me the opening slot Um And uh it’s about.

Kasim Sulton

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 of 16 shows that I’m doing o over the course of uh November Um And uh you know it’s it it’s interesting as an opening act Your kind of have you have a little bit of a captive audience No nobody’s leaving while you play Um So uh so I’m uh

Kasim Sulton

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 I I’m very excited about uh being able to play for uh some new uh people Um and uh and hope that uh that uh you know that it goes well.

Buzz Knight

00:28:27.25 – 00:28:34.709

 So, in closing um as such a student of it all and someone with such great disciplines

Buzz Knight

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 if someone is listening to this and they are working their way up the music ladder as a musician

Buzz Knight

00:28:42.9 – 00:28:44.969

 What advice do you have for him?

Kasim Sulton

00:28:45.969 – 00:28:58.52

 Um You know it’s such a different it’s such a different time right now There is there is so many there are so many more avenues to

to kind of you know get your stuff out there and uh to be heard Um uh and to create and uh and make a record you do not need to be in a recording studio anymore You could do it in your bedroom like Billie Eilish and her brother and become hugely successful

Kasim Sulton

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 Um or you can build an audience by playing live Uh you know and uh and then working social media.

 you know Todd uh said one thing to me when I when I was uh had just joined the band I’ll never forget we were in Paris and um uh I might have been playing the Hippodrome in Paris at some large venue Um and uh we were having a chat on the side of the stage in the middle of the show Actually I forget what was going on that We had time to talk in the middle of the show

Kasim Sulton

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 and he said you know uh he said the real trick is knowing when to stop It’s like if it’s not happening for you know knowing when.

Kasim Sulton

00:30:11.489 – 00:30:40.77

 when it’s time to do something else Uh He said a lot of people just keep banging their head against the wall when it’s kind of not going to happen But having said that if you I if you have the uh I if you have the strength and the fortitude and the conviction and uh and the belief that what you are doing is it is really good

Kasim Sulton

00:30:41.239 – 00:30:43.469

 Um Then just keep doing it.

Buzz Knight

00:30:44.079 – 00:30:49.369

 Thank you for the joy of the music that you continue to give us and good luck on the tour.

Kasim Sulton

00:30:49.939 – 00:30:53.819

 Thank you so much buzz I really appreciate you taking the time to talk.

Announcer

00:30:54.78 – 00:31:10.819

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Buzz Knight is an established media executive with a long history of content creation and multi-platform distribution.

After a successful career as a Radio Executive, he formed Buzz Knight Media which focuses on strategic guidance and the development of new original content.