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Takin a Walk. You know, Paul McCartney, they said that he really wanted to do it. And that’s who I’m waiting for is Paul. I want to talk about when he came over to my house and what happened when he came over and we sang at the piano together.

And Elton John, you know, I mean, Elton John picked me up and put me back in my crib when I was a toddler. That’s the thing that’s so cool is I’ve got these stories because of my life. Welcome to the takin A Walk podcast,

the podcast where Buzz Knight talks with musicians and gets the inside story about their careers, their latest projects, and their passions. On this episode, Carnie Wilson joins Buzz to talk about her TV show on Axis,

Sounds Delicious. Her father, Brian Wilson’s influence and her musical career with Wilson Phillips. Carnie has not only been a musician, but over the years She’s appeared on multiple television shows as an actor,

a host, including on E! and Entertainment Tonight. Carnie Wilson joins Buzz Knight next on “Takin a Walk.” – Carnie Wilson, how is your dad doing?

– He’s doing very well. It’s his birthday today and he’s doing great. He’s just, you know, he’s getting older and every day there’s a new little surprise,

little, you know, there’s moving forward, there’s setbacks, there’s all kinds of stuff and I guess that’s just how we are in life. So he’s so loved and he knows that and I really,

I think he’s improving, I think he’s doing great. – How did growing up with your dad shape your musical journey and aspirations? – Um,

Well, I mean, my parents divorced when I was young, so I have quite a few memories, and there’s a lot of special ones,

and depending on how I am mentally that day, or spiritually that day, often I reflect,

And when I’m feeling shitty or just feeling like, I don’t know, impatient or in self -pity or something like that, then I tend to think about negative things.

And then when I’m trying to pick myself out of a funk or, you know, just kind of feeling a little more inspired, then I’ll think about good times.

And just like anyone in anyone in any family. I don’t think it matters if you come from a musical family, a family of doctors, a family of plumbers,

a family of secretaries. It’s just like every family has some dysfunction, and the one thread, I think, was music, and that we all feel and we’re all tied together by each member of my family.

So, music was very important to our whole family, our whole lives. And I was, you know, I heard in the womb and grew up with it, and it was kind of like an arrow I was following,

just like, “This is what I have to do, I know this is my calling.” And there were a lot of wonderful influences, you know? As someone who’s had personal struggles,

how important has music been in helping you through those challenges? – Well, I mean, that’s a great question. And it’s more like a,

for me, it’s like a statement, you know, it’s like music helps you get through the good times and the bad times. It’s like music is healing, you know,

especially harmony for me. So when I want to feel spiritual or grounded or calm and serene,

you know, I put on the eagles or any group that has beautiful harmonies. Steely Dan and Dewey Brothers, The Beach Boys, you know, and I listen to the harmony and I just,

you know, a little rumor band, you know, and I feel like something’s being like connected again, you know, And it doesn’t mean that it’s the answer every time,

but there’s definitely a place that it’s a purpose that it serves and it’s usually to help lift my spirits or it’s usually to calm me or it can be just like,

when I’m cooking I put on like the B -52s and then I start dancing around my kitchen and know, singing and feeling happy or blasted in my car.

You know, I love, love blasting music in my car. I mean, you got to be careful with like, you know, fire or anything like that. But like I play my music really fucking loud in my car ’cause I have a great stereo and I love to hear it blasting.

I love the bass. I want to hear, I want to feel it in my butt cheeks. You know what I mean? (laughing) – I love That’s that’s really weird to say. I think it’s sensational to say You know you have this knack I’ve observed you through your your media career your television career I’ve observed it what sounds delicious the new show.

You have this knack for making your guests and those around you Comfortable. Oh, who did you learn this from well that’s nice of you to say it but I don’t know I mean I think it goes back to like actually like childhood but being being the person that was like teased and bullied and you know made to feel like I was there was something wrong with me because I was overweight for real I really think that it that it

was self taught because my mom is very warm and very open and, you know, and we are as a family because it’s just personalities too. I mean, I mean, when you come down to it, when it comes down to it,

it’s just personality, right? Some people are more shy and outgoing and some people also have the ability to read people. And I do think I have that ability, but at the same time, I think it’s,

it’s about like, I want to feel accepted and comfortable and so I want that for other people. I tend to like, well first of all I overanalyze everything so like I might think I know the answer like oh I know how that person’s feeling because I can tell by it to look in their eyes or their body language you know and so I assess it and then I’m like well what’s the situation here are we like having are we just

having a conversation at a party are we at dinner are we at a are we at a workplace are we having fun are we And it’s like, for me, it’s just about connection. I really ultimately think that I crave,

I crave and I yearn, you know, to like connect with people because everybody has like special qualities and I love learning from people and like taking them in and really like seeing like everybody’s individual But we’re kind of all the same.

It’s a trip But you’re a good listener also. I mean, I try to be I’ve learned that through my sobriety I’ve learned that through Maturity having children,

you know because I know and my husband My husband because he was we would argue we’ve married for almost 25 years or 24 years and we,

he would say to me, you’re not listening to me. (laughs) And I’d be like, well, wait a minute, maybe I’m not. You know, and so I’d have to shut up, shut my fucking piehole,

you know, and take a breath and like say, geez, I am not. I’m trying to get my point across and I’m driving it into,

I’m like drilling it to his, trying to drill it in his brain, but it’s not fair. Like he has a point of view, it’s not fair to be selfish like that, you know?

So listening to other people is, I think the opposite of being selfish, it’s easy to do. It’s easy to be me, me, me, me, you know, and being your own feelings,

but having children as well. I mean, it’s like, I think I know what’s best for them and they are their own person and I have to learn from them and listen to them too. Who are some interviewers or hosts that have had an impact and an influence on you?

Interviewers or hosts. That’s a hard question. I’ve never been asked that question and I probably would need more time with that one truthfully. I’ve done hundreds of interviews and hundreds.

I think when I talk with people that are mothers or they’re alcoholics, I think I definitely relate to people like that because they’re like the most challenging thing ever.

Sobriety is challenging, motherhood is challenging, but I don’t know, I’d have to think about that more, I think. How about three quintessential albums that have impacted you to this day.

Oh god that’s hard. That is almost an unfair question. Okay four. I have such a my taste in music is so it’s so vast you know there’s just I love okay so the B -52 is the first record That one,

for sure. “Dancest Mess Around” is like a ridiculous song that completely blows my mind. And “Rock Lobster” turned me upside down.

And so does “I Love Pet Sounds.” I know that sounds like it’s totally expected for me to say that, but when I listen to that record, I don’t listen to it for the hype.

I listen to it because it’s so, so deep, and oh God, this is really hard. It is hard making choices,

I agree. I mean, I mean, you know, like, I love, we could just say like the best of, so, you know, I mean, Asia, by Steely Dan,

that’s another whopper. I love the “Duby Brothers” so much and I love “Heart.” But yeah, I mean, there are a lot of records. “Diva,” “Andy Lennox Diva,” that whole album is like,

it’s off the scale. Just production -wise, sonically, her voice, the songwriting, her singing. I mean, “Diva,” to me, was just,

it just was like, It just transcends, you know So talk about how Wilson Phillips was was formed and and how you all decided To get that signature sound that was and is Wilson Phillips well,

I was out of high school and I was I Made a decision to not go to college. I made a decision to jump into the industry as an actress and And but I was obsessed with singing and harmony and I was a stoner.

I was really like I just wanted a party. I wanted to smoke pot all day long and just like listen to music and the CD had just came out and it was unbelievable sound and I was just really like really in a party party party phase but I was very obsessed with music.

and you know China and Wendy and I have always been friends since you know birth so it was natural to see each other but we had to see each other in a while a few years I think and there was an idea to do a charity record with some other 60s artists kids and only a few people wanted to do it and it was Wendy China and Mama Cass’ daughter,

and we all kind of sat around and, you know, in between our bong hits, we just, like, would listen to, like, Stevie Nicks and Hart, and we…

China didn’t even know how to sing harmony, and it was… I was really, like, obsessed with, like, getting everybody, like, “Okay, let’s sit around here. I’m gonna take the low part.

When do you sing the high part, here’s your part, China, and we just like started vocalizing and singing the song that we were listening to. And it was like, we were trying to imitate it, and I’m sure the harmony parts weren’t exact,

but there was a sound that we were just completely like, wow, when the three, when the three of us in particular sang a three -part harmony, it was like, it was another voice that,

that emerged was like another, it was like a separate voice between you know besides the three of us it became one and it was really really apparent and my mom heard us through the through the ceiling and she was like she came downstairs and she said what are you guys doing and we said we’re singing harmony of mama you know we’re singing harmony and she goes do you know how great you sound together like really do

you what is that and she heard the sound you know and I and I’m grateful that she was there that day, because she confirmed what we were all feeling, you know what I mean? And she said, “What are you going to do about it?” And we were like,

“Why would he mean?” And we said, “We have no clue. We’re singing, you know, Stevie Nick’s songs from Wild Heart and Belladonna.” And we’re like, “Okay, we sound amazing. Now what?” And then we called up a producer that Michelle knew,

Richard Perry, who was very famous, some of the best records of all time he produced, you know, I mean, and we went to his house and we,

and, you know, he rolled a joint and we, you know, mutual stoners, fellow, my spillo stoner, and we just like started singing and he was just like,

I just can’t believe what I’m hearing, you know, and got in the studio and he hooked us up with Glenn Ballard. We started writing songs with Glenn, and then before we knew it, we were in front of like nine record companies fighting to sign us,

and it was an absolutely insanely fortunate position to be in, but we worked really hard at it for four years, writing songs and getting our shit together,

you know, and realizing we are a group, we’re a vocal group, we want to make a record and SBK signed us and we were off to the races. What’s it like when your music becomes part of pop culture specifically,

you know, your music being in bridesmaids? Well, I mean, all the years that we’ve been, you know, the music’s been on the radio and all the records that we sold and we were never a touring band but we did tour but we it was more about the impact I think that the music had on people you know it’s it’s more I feel like it’s it’s the songs like hold on and release me and you’re in love and I feel like those songs

you know they were number one records but at the same time I think it goes much deeper than just a chart and climbing up the charts and whatever it is. I mean, we worked really hard to get like every radio station,

you know, to play us and everything. But I’m glad we did that because we did get, I mean, back in the day when we were making record, when we were, you know, first promoting the record and when it was released,

it took the people to hear the record and call in to request it to get the spins and then once the spins happen, you know, then you got the ads and the ads would,

then they would, that would make you rise on the chart. So it was like this domino effect. It wasn’t like some like Oz, you know, pulling the string going, okay, you got number one record. You had to sell records and you had to have your records being,

they were called spins, you know, on the radio stations. And it’s not like that anymore. And it’s anymore. And it’s not that it’s bad, it’s just different.

But we could really, it was like palpable, you know, to feel the public’s embrace and the meaning that the songs had in their lives.

That’s the part that is the most important thing. I mean, I’m in my office here and I’m looking at, You know like 50 different gold albums on the wall or maybe 30, you know and and different You know accolades and all the awards,

you know, and I have all my awards and everything and and don’t get me wrong It’s a beautiful feeling to see that because it’s like this like recognition and everything well And then I go well alright That’s just a number of what what what we what we sold but the truth is when I really like look into it,

it’s like, okay, I see 10 million records in the United States. That means that 10 million people, 10 million people took money out of their wallets and bought the fucking record.

And whether they listened to it once or it became like an anthem or it became something that saved their life, which I’ve heard many times, that is extraordinary and I do not and will never take that for granted.

I got chills with you talking about it you know. Yeah yeah. So you’re having a blast with Sounds Delicious Tuesdays 9 p .m.

Pacific on -core episodes Saturdays and Sundays on Axis. Tell me how much fun you’re having. Well I mean you asked me if I preferred singing or cooking, I swear I don’t know.

I think that’s why the show is what it is. It’s both and it’s music. Because when I cook, I sing, I love music, I play music, and then it’s inspiring.

Both inspire me. I found my passion in cooking and baking and feeding other people. And want I secretly want to like tell people like you do that too because the feeling is so great.

And food is very meaningful to me and my family and in my life, you know, so it’s been a battle, you know, not it’s been a struggle to be heavy set and like be addicted to food,

you know, and then being able to celebrate it at the same time and having, you know, this like regulator,

like a limit. And so I can listen to as much music as I want. I can sing as much as I want, you know, forever. But I can’t eat as much as I want.

I can’t eat all the foods that I want. And so And I’m in the kitchen and you know, like you said, connecting with the guests on the show, like I feel it’s that satisfying and it’s that gratifying.

So it gives me the same pleasure. But I know, I mean, I know that answer was all over the place, but really truthfully, it’s like singing and cooking and music and cooking are somehow tied together for me.

And they’re the most important things in my life. My children, I’ll force the number one, of course. But it’s funny ’cause my kids love food and love cooking and love singing.

So we cook together, we bake together, we sing together. That’s my family, that’s my friends. So it’s like when I do this show, when I do these episodes,

the guests come on and we share that love of music and love of cooking and love of eating, and it’s the best. What was it like working with that shy flower of an individual named Dee Snyder?

He’s so amazing. I just, you know, it’s like, he’s so, I mean, out of all the guests, really, he’s, he’s, he just had so much life experience too,

you know what I mean? And he is, I mean, every guest is special in her own way. I mean, I really love everybody that was on the show so very much. They’re so sweet and really great people.

I mean, I surround myself with good peeps. I don’t like assholes. I don’t like dicks. I don’t like phony people. I like real good people. And I like spirited people and passionate people.

And Dee is, um, you know, funny and strong, and, um, you know, he has a voice,

not just as a singer and as an entertainer, but, you know, he has strong beliefs, and he’s a good man. You know, he’s a grandpa, he’s a husband of long marriage,

and I respect him. And he’s just fucking funny, you know? He is. He is. He is a rare breed. He is.

And some of your other guests, Mark McGrath, terrific, Alisa Loeb. Who are some new targets maybe you’re thinking of? Well, I mean, I would love to have my friend Joey from NSYNC,

Joey Fatone. He’s one of my best friends and he was who were traveling, and there were a few people that couldn’t come because they were on tour. And Paul McCartney,

they said that he really wanted to do it. And that’s who I’m waiting for is Paul. I wanna talk about when he came over to my house and what happened when he came over and we sang at the piano together.

And Elton John, I mean, Elton John picked me up and put me back in my crib when I was a toddler. It’s like that’s the thing that’s so cool is you got, I’ve got these stories ’cause of my life.

And I wanna, I know Paul loves food. He’s a vegetarian. His daughter’s a vegan, Mary, they love food. And,

you know, you wanna cook quinoa, you wanna cook a steak, let’s go, you know? But like, who’s gonna be able to talk The time that that Paul McCartney came over when I was a kid and we sang my Bonnie lies over the ocean at the piano It’s so cool.

Wow. I love it Carney in in closing is their career satisfaction. You are still hoping to achieve Well,

I mean I have a lot of personal I have like insecurities, you know I mean sometimes when I go to the movies and I see movies and I watch a TV show and I see the actresses,

actors part of me and the roles and the scripts and the stories and I think like, wow, you know, I wish I had that role, I wish that I did that.

And I think there’s just this roadblock, this block that I, that I just, it’s like a sabotage, you know, I mean, one day, who knows maybe I’ll break down that barrier and and just like find that part of me that’s willing to be vulnerable and do that so that’s definitely something but I you know I kind of love being in the kitchen and if I can continue doing that and and monetizing that I mean it’s I don’t have an

education. I mean, I never saved money. I have to work like other people do. And people might find that surprising, but I don’t care. It is what it is. And that’s what makes me human.

And, you know, I know how to make money. I don’t know how to save money. I can tell you that. I don’t, I’ve never, I like my little, you know, I like my lifestyle.

But, you know, health first, family first, food music first, and that’s what keeps me happy. So I’m open to what’s next.

I don’t, I don’t know what’s next. And my mom always says to me, you never know what’s around the corner. So don’t be afraid to look. Carnie Wilson.

Oh, you’re the best. Sounds Wednesday is 9 p .m. Pacific, on -core episodes Saturday and Sunday. Carnie, thanks for being on “Taking a Walk.” Oh,

you’re so sweet. It was so great to talk with you and thank you to you and your listeners and everything. I appreciate it. Thanks for listening to this episode of the “Takin a Walk” podcast.

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Buzz Knight

Buzz Knight is an established media executive with a long history of content creation and multi-platform distribution.

After a successful career as a Radio Executive, he formed Buzz Knight Media which focuses on strategic guidance and the development of new original content.